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Share your maggot experience with us....

Dr. Sherman was kind enough to author an article for us on the topic.

See it by clicking here.

I have seen maggots do wonders in wounds. They excrete something that actually helps the wound to heal AND they do a wonderful job of debridement. Sometimes there is some pain at the wound site especially when they get larger.

It is somewhat cost effective costing about 75 to 100 dollars per application and the application is left on for 2 days and then the wound reassessed.

It is a good modality to have on hand in case other things have not worked.

You have to make sure the little guys are not suffocated so on the coccyx is a little tricky but any other areas work great for the most part.

Michele RN WCC in San Diego

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We have used medicinal maggots in my facility with very good results, once you get past the "yuck factor".
Please see article with photos in Podiatry Management magazine June/July 2006 by Dr. Robert Snyder and Debby Hans RN.

Debby Hans RN CWS

We've added some new information about Negative Pressure Wound Therapy, including a new product. Please take a look and share your experiences with any of these companies' products.

NPWT link

I am one of the clinical trainers for Medela's pump called the WASP- wound aspirating suction pump. We have had great results- the application is much simplier than some of the competitors. The pricing is $40 a day which is affordable for the nursing home market or those private pay accounts. Ergo Science is the vendor for Missouri and Illinois- to set up a training session you can call 314 226-3966.
I have used Blue Sky and the Vac as well- negative pressure therapy is the same no matter what you call the device- the important factors are the training, price, outcomes, and service- all of which are expectional with Ergo Science.
Thanks-
Dawn Whalen, WCC LPN
I have a concern about a negative pressure pump pulling too much pressure and causing a problem with either the wound or the patient.

What are the highest pressures that you go up to when using negative pressure and under what circumstances, has anyone come across problems with high negative pressures etc?

Elizabeth

There is an article that shows pressures over 100mm Hg can cause tissue damage in the "Wounds" periodical - a link is attached.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCN, WOCN

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Problems with wound vac...yes, if over or near an artery or if patient is on coumadan or anticoagulant that makes it a little risky. Usually, if its 125 and try to put it to intermittant as soon as possible to increas wound granulation. Sometimes, though, if the wound has alot of drainage the only setting that will keep the vac on is continuous. Hope this helps.

Michelle RN, WCC in San Diego

My husband had a paniculectomy that went very badly. He got psuedamonis and staph. He had to be opened 19’” long and 11” deep in the abdomen after the infection ruptured and covered the bathroom floor in the hospital. He was put on a wound vac for 2 and ½ years. The wound in now about the size of an orange and refuses to heal.

We have tried oasis, created a stench in the wound and now panifil and dressings. Is there anything else.
Terry
 
Has the wound been cultured or biopsied? It may be good to rule out osteomylitis also because the wound will never heal if it's infected from the bone. Sounds like a long treck of time having the wound vac for 2 years...yikes!

Take care

Michele Rn WCC in San Diego

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Terry,
Your husband would benefit from seeing someone in a wound center where advanced wound care is available. I would start by asking for a referral from your current physician or family physician.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON

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Hi, my name is Pam Mitchell and I am not a health care professional but I do think I know something that can help to totally heal and close your husbands wound. Maggot Therapy! Before you get grossed out--Maggot therapy is FDA approved. They are sterilized maggots raised and sold just for medicinal purposes. The maggots can do more than anything man can come up with. They eat just the dead infected tissue, excrete enzymes to promote healing and they kill all the bacteria. They are very cost effective and minimally evasive. Please do the research and save your self a lot of time(and money) trying so many other treatments. Maggots DO work, I know. You can get info from The BTER Foundation.org and or Monarch Labs.

Good Luck,
Pam Mitchell
Patient Advocate
BTERFoundation

I'm a private healthcare practioner. I've been with my patient for just two weeks now his family ask me to attend to him since he developed some bedsores over the buttocks area and he's bedridden because of his old age. Could you provide me with proper understanding regarding DAIKINS solutions it's proper measurements and it's ingredients.,thank you..
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Dakins needs to have a specific recipe ordered by a physician as there are certain strengths. It is usually mixed by a pharmacist. However, Dakins is useful in killing odor and germs, but since it also kills any new tissue, it is not used for healing if that is your goal.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCN, WOCN

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Dakin's is recommended for infected, necrotic wounds and not for clean granular wounds. I believe it is usually mixed 1/4 strength, it is a bleach solution and may also hlep with foul odor. If this doesn't describe your patient's wound I suggest a less toxic form of moist woound healing depending on the stage of the pressure ulcer. The patient may also benefit from a pressure reducing mattress or overlay.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON

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Considered an antiseptic solution containing .25 sodium hypochlorite (Bleach) and developed to treat infected wounds, Dakin's is a old treatment for bed sores as it kills bacteria . However I do not recommend using it , as it not only kills the bacteria but it also kills the good healthy skin cells.
Better to use a sterile saline irrigation and a wet-moist dressing as moisture allows for cell epitheliazation (growth) and healing.
Dakin's is very harsh and must be used for short durations of time if at all
Also do not use Hydogen Peroxide, Betadine or other chemicals that dry the wound bed out

Connie RN BS
Nursing Instructor

I have a client who we are using double grip tubi grip on to reduce edema as well as treating the would. this client keeps having re-occuring cellulitis. What should i do.

Alison

Hi Alison:

Do any of these factors apply to your client? :

Chronic venous disease, lymphedema, obesity, immunocompromised, diabetes, liver disease.

The high protein content of stagnant fluid predisposes chronic edema sufferers to the development of cellulitis. Extremely dry, scaly and itchy skin is almost always concurrent. The Pt. is inclined to scratch which may lead to infection. As you may already know antibiotic treatment is protocol. In the case of chronicity prevention is key. While you may not be able to control all the risk factors, proper skin care is essential. There are also a number of prescriptive and non- prescriptive creams available to treat chronic dry skin. All of the usual recommendations apply: Rest and elevation to decrease edema. Caution must be used when applying compression wraps because occlusion of cellulitis without treatment is not recommended. I have used silver based products such as Argleas powder and Acticoat 7 directly on the affected areas for local treatment under compression. Keep in mind also, that the Pt. may be having a reaction to what is being applied to the area. Some compression wraps may have latex that causes a sensitivity reaction. Some individuals have chronic erythema.

Best Regards,
Jamie Pinnock BSN, R.N., CWCN

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Hello..
This patient needs a doppler assessment, and if no contraindications - compression bandages, with antibiotic treatment - if this is cellulitis, and not varicous eczema? when wound is healed the patient should continue with compression hosiery, to help circulation, and reduce oedema.
Hope this helps..
Mary Devon. UK

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Tubigrip if measured correctly using the tape measures provided by Convatec and applied doubled provides approximately 20 mm Hg pressure at the ankle. It sound as though your client may need more compression than tubigrip can provide. If there is a vascular clinic, a vascular medicine specialist or a wound center in your area the patient can find someone to treat the edema with the correct amount of compression. The etiology of the edema must be determined.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON

I am a “Treatment Nurse” in a large long term care facility.

I have been unable to get a satisfactory answer to this question.

What is it, when a clean, granulated wound will not develop epithelial tissue, but develops a loose, pale yellow, mucous type substance that covers the wound bed? The substance is easily lifted off the next day using a dry Q-Tip, but returns with the next dressing change.

I have asked several RN Wound Care Specialists, and been told that it was the formation of “Denatured Collagene”, to slough.

Could you please help guide me in the right direction?
Thank you,
Sam McDew LPN
It could be that the dressing itself is not occlusive enough and allows air to enter and then form necrotic tissue over the wound bed. If that is the case, make it occlusive. Another method is to use a calcium alginate rope fluffed inside the wound with an occlusive dressing. Calcium alginate is good for many things, one of them being debridement of that type of tissue.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCN, WOCN

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I would bet there is bacterial colonization occurring. That yellow layer sounds like a biofilm is forming over the wound- a lovely mix of bacteria and cellular debris. Is the wound bed pale? Has the wound gotten smaller at all in the past two weeks? I would ask the doc for a wound culture(deep tissue, not swab), and perhaps try a silver product, depending on the amount of drainage. Also, you might want to consider offloading. Are you sure that pressure has been relieved from the area?

Kristen, RN

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Sam,
I think that the wound specialists are likely correct. You can try Panafil ointment from HealthPoint. It is recommended for wounds with 30% or less fibrin slough and it prevents reoccurrence of the fibrin. I would also recommend a culture and sensitivity be taken after you remove the fibrin and cleanse the wound with Normal Saline to be sure that a resistant organism isn't preventing the wound from healing.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON

In the event a patient develops a pressure point due to shoes, is this considered as a declarable Facility acquired pressure ulcer? I can not find literature on this, but remember a Wound Nurse at a seminar stating these would not be counted. What is the standard of practice for pressure ulcers at pressure related areas on feet from shoes?

Any information would be helpful. Thank you very much.

Maria Hanschen RN-C, BSN
Director of Nursing Services
If the patient entered your facility without the wound and now has a wound it is indeed a facility-acquired ulcer. Are you sure the cause of the wound is pressure?

Debby Hans RN CWS

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If you are in long-term care, it most certainly is a pressure sore. As are sores caused by multi podus boots or any other device. This might lead me to think that daily skin checks are not being completed as they should. Sue, CWS
 

i saw a patient for the first time last week who has been gently debrided for several months by the other physicians in the group, and his ulcer is getting larger. they have been using using prisma, and he has been on remicade for 4 months with good control of his UC. does anyone have any good literature on this disease and/or any suggestions on how to change his therapy?
thanks, mc
Sounds like this patient may have pyoderma gangrenosum, which is a disease of exclusion, there is no definitive test for it. PG often occurs in pts with immunosuppressive disorders, such as ulcerative colitis. The phenomena that you are describing is called pathergy, wherein the wound gets larger after debridement, another hallmark of PG. This patient definitely needs to see a dermatologist as well as a certified wound care specialist for treatment.

Debby Hans, RN CWS

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Hi MC:

Based on your description of UC and wound getting larger with debridement:

Pyoderma Granulosum is a skin condition associated with inflammatory bowel disease such as Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis and arthritis. The exact etiology of pyoderma is unknown but many discussions exists. Diagnosis is based on presentation and association. The usual treatment recommendation consists of steroid therapy to treat the underlying condition. Other treatments are being explored. According to the literature sharp non-selective debridement is contraindicated as these ulcers get larger. A good web site to visit for further information is www.worldwidewounds.com.

Best Regards,

Jamie Pinnock BSN, R.N., CWCN

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Prisma is supposed to remain in the wound. It is not to be rinsed out or removed since it binds the MMP's in the wound allowing growth factors to work. In my practice in a wound center we would only debride this wound if it was draining beneath the promogran or it was healed and the promogran could be removed over the healed wound. We instruct pts to apply it dry to a wet wound and moistened with NS to a dry wound. With a wet wound it usually requires reapplication daily and with a dry wound every three days.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON
 

in oct. i had a chest tube put in and when they took it out in nov. i still kam unconfortable. it feels like a clothesline sticking out of my side. is there anything i can do to flatten this thing out? it's driving me crazy.
thank you
linda hand
 
I scalded the top of my foot with boiling water from cooking. I’ve seen a doctor and I am changing my dressing twice a day and applying antibacterial cream. I am also taking antibiotics twice a day. This happened a week ago. I dry the area with a cloth before I change the dressing, but I have not yet cleaned (i.e. put water) on the area, as I am afraid. Some parts of the skin are white and when I dry the area or apply the cream, I see some parts of the skin are not attached. Should I be removing them? I’m afraid I would be tearing off too much. Please advise.

Thank you.

Gloria
Hello..
I always use and had success with Flamazine cream (contains silver) to burns/scalds.with a non-adherant dressing to wound, and foam dressing to absorb fluid.
Thanks
Mary, Devon UK

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Burns should be cleansed daily with an antibacterial soap and water. Non-viable tissue should be debrided. If your physician is not comfortable with performing debridement of your burn wound ask him to refer you to a plastic surgeon or a wound center.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON


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