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February 13, 2007
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Share your maggot experience with us....
Dr. Sherman was kind enough to author an article
for us on the topic.
See it by clicking here. |
I have
seen maggots do wonders in wounds. They excrete something that actually
helps the wound to heal AND they do a wonderful job of debridement.
Sometimes there is some pain at the wound site especially when they get
larger.
It is somewhat cost effective costing about 75 to 100 dollars per
application and the application is left on for 2 days and then the wound
reassessed.
It is a good modality to have on hand in case other things have not worked.
You have to make sure the little guys are not suffocated so on the coccyx is
a little tricky but any other areas work great for the most part.
Michele RN WCC in San Diego
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We have used medicinal maggots in my facility
with very good results, once you get past the "yuck factor".
Please see article with photos in Podiatry Management magazine June/July
2006 by Dr. Robert Snyder and Debby Hans RN.
Debby Hans RN CWS |
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We've added some new information about Negative
Pressure Wound Therapy, including a new product. Please take a look and
share your experiences with any of these companies' products.
NPWT link |
I am
one of the clinical trainers for Medela's pump called the WASP- wound
aspirating suction pump. We have had great results- the application is much
simplier than some of the competitors. The pricing is $40 a day which is
affordable for the nursing home market or those private pay accounts. Ergo
Science is the vendor for Missouri and Illinois- to set up a training
session you can call 314 226-3966.
I have used Blue Sky and the Vac as well- negative pressure therapy is the
same no matter what you call the device- the important factors are the
training, price, outcomes, and service- all of which are expectional with
Ergo Science.
Thanks-
Dawn Whalen, WCC LPN |
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I have a concern about a negative pressure pump
pulling too much pressure and causing a problem with either the wound or the
patient. What are the highest pressures
that you go up to when using negative pressure and under what circumstances,
has anyone come across problems with high negative pressures etc?
Elizabeth |
There
is an article that shows pressures over 100mm Hg can cause tissue damage in
the "Wounds" periodical - a link is attached.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCN, WOCN
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Problems with wound vac...yes, if over or
near an artery or if patient is on coumadan or anticoagulant that makes it a
little risky. Usually, if its 125 and try to put it to intermittant as soon
as possible to increas wound granulation. Sometimes, though, if the wound
has alot of drainage the only setting that will keep the vac on is
continuous. Hope this helps.
Michelle RN, WCC in San Diego |
My husband had a paniculectomy that went very
badly. He got psuedamonis and staph. He had to be opened 19’” long and 11”
deep in the abdomen after the infection ruptured and covered the bathroom
floor in the hospital. He was put on a wound vac for 2 and ½ years. The
wound in now about the size of an orange and refuses to heal.
We have tried oasis, created a stench in the wound and now panifil and
dressings. Is there anything else.
Terry
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Has
the wound been cultured or biopsied? It may be good to rule out osteomylitis
also because the wound will never heal if it's infected from the bone.
Sounds like a long treck of time having the wound vac for 2 years...yikes!
Take care
Michele Rn WCC in San Diego
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Terry,
Your husband would benefit from seeing someone in a wound center where
advanced wound care is available. I would start by asking for a referral
from your current physician or family physician.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON
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Hi, my name is Pam Mitchell and I am not a
health care professional but I do think I know something that can help to
totally heal and close your husbands wound. Maggot Therapy! Before you get
grossed out--Maggot therapy is FDA approved. They are sterilized maggots
raised and sold just for medicinal purposes. The maggots can do more than
anything man can come up with. They eat just the dead infected tissue,
excrete enzymes to promote healing and they kill all the bacteria. They are
very cost effective and minimally evasive. Please do the research and save
your self a lot of time(and money) trying so many other treatments. Maggots
DO work, I know. You can get info from The BTER Foundation.org and or
Monarch Labs.
Good Luck,
Pam Mitchell
Patient Advocate
BTERFoundation |
I'm a private healthcare practioner. I've been
with my patient for just two weeks now his family ask me to attend to him
since he developed some bedsores over the buttocks area and he's bedridden
because of his old age. Could you provide me with proper understanding
regarding DAIKINS solutions it's proper measurements and it's
ingredients.,thank you..
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Dakins
needs to have a specific recipe ordered by a physician as there are certain
strengths. It is usually mixed by a pharmacist. However, Dakins is useful in
killing odor and germs, but since it also kills any new tissue, it is not
used for healing if that is your goal.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCN, WOCN
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Dakin's is recommended for infected, necrotic
wounds and not for clean granular wounds. I believe it is usually mixed 1/4
strength, it is a bleach solution and may also hlep with foul odor. If this
doesn't describe your patient's wound I suggest a less toxic form of moist
woound healing depending on the stage of the pressure ulcer. The patient may
also benefit from a pressure reducing mattress or overlay.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON
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Considered an antiseptic solution containing
.25 sodium hypochlorite (Bleach) and developed to treat infected wounds,
Dakin's is a old treatment for bed sores as it kills bacteria . However I do
not recommend using it , as it not only kills the bacteria but it also kills
the good healthy skin cells.
Better to use a sterile saline irrigation and a wet-moist dressing as
moisture allows for cell epitheliazation (growth) and healing.
Dakin's is very harsh and must be used for short durations of time if at all
Also do not use Hydogen Peroxide, Betadine or other chemicals that dry the
wound bed out
Connie RN BS
Nursing Instructor |
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I have a client who we are using double grip
tubi grip on to reduce edema as well as treating the would. this client
keeps having re-occuring cellulitis. What should i do.
Alison |
Hi
Alison:
Do any of these factors apply to your client? :
Chronic venous disease, lymphedema, obesity, immunocompromised, diabetes,
liver disease.
The high protein content of stagnant fluid predisposes chronic edema
sufferers to the development of cellulitis. Extremely dry, scaly and itchy
skin is almost always concurrent. The Pt. is inclined to scratch which may
lead to infection. As you may already know antibiotic treatment is protocol.
In the case of chronicity prevention is key. While you may not be able to
control all the risk factors, proper skin care is essential. There are also
a number of prescriptive and non- prescriptive creams available to treat
chronic dry skin. All of the usual recommendations apply: Rest and elevation
to decrease edema. Caution must be used when applying compression wraps
because occlusion of cellulitis without treatment is not recommended. I have
used silver based products such as Argleas powder and Acticoat 7 directly on
the affected areas for local treatment under compression. Keep in mind also,
that the Pt. may be having a reaction to what is being applied to the area.
Some compression wraps may have latex that causes a sensitivity reaction.
Some individuals have chronic erythema.
Best Regards,
Jamie Pinnock BSN, R.N., CWCN----
Hello..
This patient needs a doppler assessment, and if no contraindications -
compression bandages, with antibiotic treatment - if this is cellulitis, and
not varicous eczema? when wound is healed the patient should continue with
compression hosiery, to help circulation, and reduce oedema.
Hope this helps..
Mary Devon. UK
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Tubigrip if measured correctly using the tape
measures provided by Convatec and applied doubled provides approximately 20
mm Hg pressure at the ankle. It sound as though your client may need more
compression than tubigrip can provide. If there is a vascular clinic, a
vascular medicine specialist or a wound center in your area the patient can
find someone to treat the edema with the correct amount of compression. The
etiology of the edema must be determined.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON |
I am a “Treatment Nurse” in a large long term
care facility.
I have been unable to get a satisfactory answer to this question.
What is it, when a clean, granulated wound will not develop epithelial
tissue, but develops a loose, pale yellow, mucous type substance that covers
the wound bed? The substance is easily lifted off the next day using a dry
Q-Tip, but returns with the next dressing change.
I have asked several RN Wound Care Specialists, and been told that it was
the formation of “Denatured Collagene”, to slough.
Could you please help guide me in the right direction?
Thank you,
Sam McDew LPN |
It
could be that the dressing itself is not occlusive enough and allows air to
enter and then form necrotic tissue over the wound bed. If that is the case,
make it occlusive. Another method is to use a calcium alginate rope fluffed
inside the wound with an occlusive dressing. Calcium alginate is good for
many things, one of them being debridement of that type of tissue.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCN, WOCN
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I would bet there is bacterial colonization
occurring. That yellow layer sounds like a biofilm is forming over the
wound- a lovely mix of bacteria and cellular debris. Is the wound bed pale?
Has the wound gotten smaller at all in the past two weeks? I would ask the
doc for a wound culture(deep tissue, not swab), and perhaps try a silver
product, depending on the amount of drainage. Also, you might want to
consider offloading. Are you sure that pressure has been relieved from the
area?
Kristen, RN
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Sam,
I think that the wound specialists are likely correct. You can try Panafil
ointment from HealthPoint. It is recommended for wounds with 30% or less
fibrin slough and it prevents reoccurrence of the fibrin. I would also
recommend a culture and sensitivity be taken after you remove the fibrin and
cleanse the wound with Normal Saline to be sure that a resistant organism
isn't preventing the wound from healing.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON |
In the event a patient develops a pressure point
due to shoes, is this considered as a declarable Facility acquired pressure
ulcer? I can not find literature on this, but remember a Wound Nurse at a
seminar stating these would not be counted. What is the standard of practice
for pressure ulcers at pressure related areas on feet from shoes?
Any information would be helpful. Thank you very much.
Maria Hanschen RN-C, BSN
Director of Nursing Services |
If the
patient entered your facility without the wound and now has a wound it is
indeed a facility-acquired ulcer. Are you sure the cause of the wound is
pressure?
Debby Hans RN CWS---
If you are in long-term care, it most
certainly is a pressure sore. As are sores caused by multi podus boots or
any other device. This might lead me to think that daily skin checks are not
being completed as they should. Sue, CWS
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i saw a patient for the first time last week who
has been gently debrided for several months by the other physicians in the
group, and his ulcer is getting larger. they have been using using prisma,
and he has been on remicade for 4 months with good control of his UC. does
anyone have any good literature on this disease and/or any suggestions on
how to change his therapy?
thanks, mc |
Sounds
like this patient may have pyoderma gangrenosum, which is a disease of
exclusion, there is no definitive test for it. PG often occurs in pts with
immunosuppressive disorders, such as ulcerative colitis. The phenomena that
you are describing is called pathergy, wherein the wound gets larger after
debridement, another hallmark of PG. This patient definitely needs to see a
dermatologist as well as a certified wound care specialist for treatment.
Debby Hans, RN CWS----
Hi MC:
Based on your description of UC and wound getting larger with debridement:
Pyoderma Granulosum is a skin condition associated with inflammatory bowel
disease such as Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis and arthritis. The exact
etiology of pyoderma is unknown but many discussions exists. Diagnosis is
based on presentation and association. The usual treatment recommendation
consists of steroid therapy to treat the underlying condition. Other
treatments are being explored. According to the literature sharp
non-selective debridement is contraindicated as these ulcers get larger. A
good web site to visit for further information is www.worldwidewounds.com.
Best Regards,
Jamie Pinnock BSN, R.N., CWCN
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Prisma is supposed to remain in the wound. It
is not to be rinsed out or removed since it binds the MMP's in the wound
allowing growth factors to work. In my practice in a wound center we would
only debride this wound if it was draining beneath the promogran or it was
healed and the promogran could be removed over the healed wound. We instruct
pts to apply it dry to a wet wound and moistened with NS to a dry wound.
With a wet wound it usually requires reapplication daily and with a dry
wound every three days.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON
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in oct. i had a chest tube put in and when they
took it out in nov. i still kam unconfortable. it feels like a clothesline
sticking out of my side. is there anything i can do to flatten this thing
out? it's driving me crazy.
thank you
linda hand |
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I scalded the top of my foot with boiling water
from cooking. I’ve seen a doctor and I am changing my dressing twice a day
and applying antibacterial cream. I am also taking antibiotics twice a day.
This happened a week ago. I dry the area with a cloth before I change the
dressing, but I have not yet cleaned (i.e. put water) on the area, as I am
afraid. Some parts of the skin are white and when I dry the area or apply
the cream, I see some parts of the skin are not attached. Should I be
removing them? I’m afraid I would be tearing off too much. Please advise.
Thank you.
Gloria |
Hello..
I always use and had success with Flamazine cream (contains silver) to
burns/scalds.with a non-adherant dressing to wound, and foam dressing to
absorb fluid.
Thanks
Mary, Devon UK----
Burns should be cleansed daily with an
antibacterial soap and water. Non-viable tissue should be debrided. If your
physician is not comfortable with performing debridement of your burn wound
ask him to refer you to a plastic surgeon or a wound center.
Sandy Bruns RN CWON |
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