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Help for patients....
Would it be helpful to have a section on the
Wound Care Information Network that was specifically for patients?
For example, there are patients who are on
the Internet, looking for wound care information. But there are also
patients who come to you for treatment. You might want to tell them to visit
a website to provide more information beyond what you have the time to
explain.
If this is something that you think would be
useful, please let me know what type of content a patient would be
interested in knowing...or what type of content would be helpful to you, if
your patients knew.
Dr. Allan Freedline |
Dr.
Freedline:
This is a excellent idea! I was put in contact with you by my daughter, a
surgical tech, who found you on the internet after I told her my husband's
doctor was talking about amputating his foot due to a heel ulcer that
covered almost his entire heel and was open to the bone. He then got another
ulcer on his other heel. His first happened while in the hospital in October
of 2005. He spent five more times in the hospital since then. He has been
treated with Panafil and vaccum dressings, hyperbaric oxygen and finally,
with my insistance that the dressing treatments be changed to another
medicine, Collanase Santyl. He was also put on oxygen at home 24 hours a day
at that time. His heels finally began to heal with this medicine and
everyone is amazed at how fast his ulcers filled in and the size of the
ulcer grew smaller each time it was measured. At this time he is wearing a
foam type bandage over the skin grafts that were done yesterday and dressing
changes will go from every day to three times a week, so as not to disturb
the grafts. Tell people not to give up, to take part in the care of the
patient as a family member and resort to another opinion, if need be. It
worked for us!
Darcy Reverend, MA------
I think it would be a great resource for
patients. I would suggest general info on current expert opinion, in
layman’s terms of course. For instance, information like Dakin’s/wet-dry
should not be used except for short periods of time and only on
infected/necrotic wounds. Also, information on new evidence-based practice
such as moist wound healing. Maybe we could save some patients some problems
associated with clinicians who still cling to old-fashioned wound care. I
had a problem with a podiatrist just last week who came into the hospital on
an order for routine foot care (pt’s toenails were awful), and debrided a
stable heel ulcer that I had successfully babied until it was nice and dry
and beginning to look like it would simply peel off in the days to come, and
then ordered betadine to dress it!!!! How was this patient to know which
practitioner to believe? The more education patients have, the better.
Vicki, DPT, CWS
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Hi,
As far as patient information section it my be helpful for the basics of
wound healing like offloading, and explaining the basics of wound healing
and what promotes it.
This may give the patients a better view of what's going on...maybe a place
to have definitions explained like a glossary and the basics on skin care
and prevention prevention prevention.
Hope this helps
Michele in San Diego
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Hi Dr. Freedline:
That is a good option. In my opinion, however, the patients should still be
able to view all the information. They probable like reading everything.
Maybe you should ask the patients also, what they prefer.
Best Regards,
Jamie Pinnock RN, CWCN |
Would you have any information on air mattresses
or alternating air mattresses being beneficial for the prevention of
decubiti ulcers? I work in a long care facility/ rehab center, 80 bed units
I'm the skin nurse and the hospital that runs the nursing home is looking
into doing away with the air mattresses as they feel they are not cost
effective.
Thank you,
Christine Jedra |
No
specialty bed will prevent skin breakdown. The only thing that will prevent
pressure ulcers is to turn the patient and offload heels.
Tell them to put their money into a "turn team" that turns all the patients
every 2 hours.
Hope this Helps
Michele RN WCCin San Diego
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Do you use the Braden scale?
Carol RN MSN
Certified Wound Specialist
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Look into the KCI line of beds. The Versia
Care A.I.R. bed, it is not an air bed. It can be used for patients with
stage 1-3 uncomplicated wounds. It doesn’t have the drying component of the
air bed. For moist wounds the traditional air beds seem to be the best, but
the elderly might benefit from a bed that is less drying. We have been using
the Versia Care and Versia Care A.I..R. they seem to be a good product.
Sandy..
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Hi Christine:
I don’t have specific articles, but there is a wealth of information on why
support surfaces are important in the prevention and treatment of pressure
ulcers. I am very surprised to hear that a facility is considering not
having appropriate support surfaces because of cost. How confident can you
be? Two words: LAW SUIT. My suggestion to you is to contact your support
surface Rep. who should be able to provide you with evidence and education
on why having a pressure ulcer prevention and treatment plan is essential in
any institution. Patients should be screened upon admission using an
appropriate scale such as the Braden. Depending on the results of the scale,
a proper prevention plan should be enforced. A good plan will more than
likely include using a proper support surface.
Best Regards,
Jamie Pinnock, RN, CWCN
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I think APM2 mattresses are good and have
been beneficial for all stages of
wounds.
Roopa Lothe ,PT ,RN,FCCWS.
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I am researching scab formation and I need to
know how long does it take
for scabs to form after injury. Do you have any articles to
recommend? unsigned |
sorry,
no replies |
This is a great site. Thanks for the info. I
have a question about "road rash" type abrasions. My patient's deep abrasion
is not very well vascularized. We have been doing mechanical debridement,
and I wanted to switch to something else. Do you have any recommendations?
Thanks
Dana Essner, RN, APN,C |
I have
been very happy with Accuzyme. It works real well. Healthpoint is the
product maker.
Sonja Whittredge RN, WCC---
panafil has given me some good results, you
may try it.
thanks
Roopa Lothe, PT, RN, FCCWS
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Dana,
I am assuming since you've been doing mechanical debridement that the wounds
are covered with slough or necrotic tissue.
I have been using Gladase, a topical debriding agent from Smith & Nephew BID
with good results. It is similar to accuzyme.
Donna Cameron RN WCC
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Debridements are appropriate for road related
abrasions but what wound care is being used with this patient?
Keep an anti-microbial, that maintains a moist environment for healing. But
also don't be too aggresive with the debridements. Some patients respond
more with "rest periods" between the debridements(ie: debride Q7-10 days)
Hope this helps,
Amy Pastor RN CWS
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What I have used on these painful abrasions
is Granulex. It sprays on and will help heal the wound and keep it moist.
You can over the area with Adaptic or Vasoline Gauze OR leave it open to air
and just spray on the wounds BID. It helps with pain also. Actually it works
like Xanaderm but it's in a spray without the pertroleum base. If you apply
a barrier cream or some other ointment over the Granulex it will work even
better.
Hope this helps
Michele RN WCC in San Diego
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I have had great success with tegaderm or
tegaderm absorbent for road rash/abrasions.
Carol RN MSN
Certified Wound Specialist
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Does anyone have any hints for how to get new
products into our system? The committee doesn't want to approve new
products. What information have you found that your product committee needs
to see? Mary, RN, CWS |
Whenever you are trying to get a committee to add new products for wound
care it is quite simple. Just think of what it took to get you convinced the
product was valuable and something that you and your patients wanted to use.
You had to know the product actually worked and did not cause harm (research
supplied by the product manufacter). You probably had to actually see the
results for yourself (personal clinical trials). You had to know the
application of the product was something that was actually do-able in the
real world and not just on paper (clinical application compliance). You had
to know the cost was equal to the value of the product to the patient
(financial). You had to know there was not a better, less expensive
alternative available (differential alternatives). Now your job is to write
down what you have experienced and submit it to your committee. Your
committee will digest your information based on the constraints they are
obligated to function within such as company contracts with suppliers, etc.
FWCA, ANP-CS----
Hi Mary:
Most clinicians regardless of care setting complain about getting new
products on the formulary. Depending on the institution, there are many
factors involved in getting products on a formulary. Factors include: Cost,
contracts involved, distribution companies etc. My question to you is- Do
you have a product formulary that includes everything you need—hydrogels,
foams, alginates etc? Sometimes if Management feels that all wound dressing
categories are covered on the formulary, then there is no need to add new
products. The best approach is to educate, try a controlled clinical trial-
where by the Rep from the company whose product you are trying to get on the
formulary may give you a certain amount of product to use on 1 or 2 patients
who qualify for the use of the product. Based on the Results, you may be
able to convince them that the product is a good one to have for a
particular wound treatment ( Based on what the product is marketed for).
Work with your Reps.
Best Regards.
Jamie Pinnock RN, CWCN
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I work in long term care and to get new
products approved we usually get samples and try it on one resident for an
agreed period of time to assess effectiveness of the product if good results
the committee is usually agreeable to order that product.
K .in Pa
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I would let the company sell the product.
That's what their job is anyway. Have them emphasize cost savings etc...that
usually gets their attention.
Hope this helps
Michele RN WCC in San Diego |
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