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Please guide me on the latest home care for
abrasions sustained from a bicycle accident.
Thank you.
Barbara Sokol |
I
personally like the product, mepiform by MoInlycke. Make sure the areas
are irrigated well with normal saline and dry and then apply. You can leave
in place virtually until healed & if there is drainage, apply a secondary
dressing and change that without changing the mepiform. You may have to have
your physician & pharmacy special order it.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Director of Clinical Services--
HYDROGEL SHEETS HAS A "COOLING" EFFECT ALSO
Amparo (Amy) Pastor
RN, CWS, Manager of Clinical Practice
Gentiva® Health Services
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Can a radiation center, who has patients using
hydrogel sheets before and after each
radiation therapy treatment actually bill various insurance's for the
hydrogel sheet, even if it is a nonprescription medical product? What is the
maxim reimbursement from and insurance carrier on a Hydrogel Sheet in
California?
Sincerely,
Hal Wynbrandt
Medi-tech |
sorry,
no replies |
Hi, I am a home care supervisor trying to assist
a nurse with choosing a therapeutic wound product. The patient has a head
wound (scalp) after a MOHNS procedure. The wound is 4.5 cm.x 5.5cm with
minimal depth. Recently, the treatment was cleanse with NSS, apply Allevyn,
dry dressing and surgilast to secure. The doctor now feels that the wound is
hypergranulating, and wants the treatment to be apply Vaseline, dry dressing
daily. Can you offer any other treatment option that would be more
effective, as well as more economical (less changing/less nursing visits)?
Any help appreciated. Thanks.
Linda |
Possibly try adaptic before applying dressing. Keeps the hypergranulation
down.
Cheryl Nichols LVN Tx Nurse---
I personally like silvasorb by Medline - the
gel sheet - not the gel in a tube. You cleanse the wound, apply sheet and
put a cover dressing over it and it can stay a week. It works wonders for
all types of wounds and reduces bacteria as well.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Director of Clinical Services
---
Hi.........I like wound care........not an
expert by any means.
For hypergranulation in Home Health--- I would use a foam......this forces
the hypergranulation to diminish. Of course, sharp debridement could be used
also.
this is just my experience.
Frankie
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hydrgel or saf gel will promote moisture and
can be changed less than daily.
Starting with daily and observing if wound stays moist if so then decrease
to qod ultimately go to monday, wednesday, friday. Make sure the wound
stays moist.
homecare RN
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Polymem can be a great product for such
situations. Change every two to three days.
unsigned
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First of all the physician should have
handled the hypergranulation. This could have been done by using a scalpel
or with silver nitrate sticks. Instead of using an Allevyn as your cover
dressing how about using a hydocolloid like Repleicare. It only has to be
changed weekly if you don't have too much drainage. I will cover, protect
and autodebride if you have any slough. The wound bed will stay moist for
good moist healing and it sticks well.
de, RN BSN
---
We've had excellent results with hydrofera
blue with MOHS patients, a bacteriostatic foam dressing, dressing change
every 1-3 days. Actually used with a gentleman who eventually lost his ear
and had very large scalp wound. This MOHS surgeon uses hydrofera very often
Sharon , RN New York
---
You may want to consider Apligraf for this
patient.
Santo |
My wife is having a repeat bout of an MRSA
infection in the abdominal region where the last one occurred. The first
time she was on vancomycin thru her portacath. It has been 3 1/2 months
since the vancomycin. Her Doctor now has her taking Zyvox, 28 pills, 2 pills
a day. Has anyone had experience with Zyvox and an MRSA infection ? My wife
also is an type II diabetic and a stage 4 colorectal patient. The first MRSA
was acquired while she was in the hospital for one of her 7 operations for
colon cancer and it was possibly the result of an infected mesh. Currently
she has cancer lesions on her liver but another hepatic doctor will not do
an ablation procedure until the infection is cleared up. If anyone knows of
any other stuff that will knock out the MRSA bug, conventional or
non-conventional let me know.
David Brown |
Although an infection control doctor would have to be the one to order
systemic antibiotics, for wound care itself, I would try a silver product as
they may reduce MRSA as well as other bacteria - i.e. silvasorb gel sheets
by Medline. You only have to change it weekly (outer dressings are changed
as needed).
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Director of Clinical Services---
MRSA is a common problem with surgical
patients. Vanco is the drug of choice and Zyvox has shown good results. Who
is culturing the wound? Once you have MRSA I believe you are going to be
colonized with it. Usually you don't need to repeat the Vanco. Does she have
a fever, drainage, pain at the surgical site. If she has no signs or
symptoms of infection then she is most likely colonized. Another thing is
that if a swab culture was done it only cultured the surface of the wound
and that will always be contaiminated. The best culture would be a needle
aspiration done by a physician.
de Rn BSN ICP
---
Silver is know to eliminate MRSA. There are
several costly but great wound dressings that contain silver. AQUACEL AG for
heavily draining wounds or ACTICOAT SILVER that can stay inplace for seven
days. Silver can not be used with saline, you must use clean or sterile
water
unsigned |
Hello,
My daughter who is 14 has a non healing sinus tract after having an
infection from what we are thinking was an in-grown hair follicle on her
thigh. We are not entirely sure what caused the lesion in the first place,
but it got infected, then erupted and has been draining for weeks now. We
put heat compresses on it nightly and then hydrogen peroxide and Neosporin
and a bandage. But because of the sinus tract problem, it's not healing.
The doctor is now saying that a surgeon needs to do something to close the
sinus tract.
Can you explain why a sinus tract does not heal and after the surgeon
stitches it, what can be done to reduce the scarring that forming from all
this.
She has a red circle about the size of a quarter and a ¼ inch white line
going up the middle. It's at the top of the white line that there are wholes
where the sinus tract is draining.
We're going to see the surgeon Friday, but I want to be as educated as
possible about this.
Thank you.
Monica |
Although I can't say for certain, wounds generally have to heal from the
bottom up; so if they heal on the outside first, an abscess can easily
develop on the inside, grow and break open at the top again. This time,
whether you have the surgeon debride first or not, please treat by packing
the inside daily (maybe with a calcium alginate rope product) and then you
will notice every day you will be packing a little less until as it is
closing from the bottom up and the depth is gradually decreasing.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS---
Infected hair follicles are not uncommon,
especially in the perineal area, or those with curly body hair, as the hairs
sometimes grow back into the skin.
The use of hydrogen peroxide to heal a wound is unfortunate, since it is a
cytotoxic agent, meaning it is deadly to the cells that are needed to heal a
wound. Hydrogen peroxide is toxic to fibroblasts, and their ability to
proliferate is essential to any healing wound.
The use of Neosporin is something I have stopped using in my practice
altogether. Over the years I have seen many people develop a sensitivity to
it, which I believe is due to the fact the the ointment is over used. Rather
than applying the product to only the wounded cells, it often is spread out
over the skin surrounding the wound, which of course does not need to be
treated, as it is not wounded (...yet..). Applying any chemical to intact
skin can often result in a reaction, so the periwound skin should not be
seeing the antibiotic ointment.
As far as a sinus tract is concerned, it can develop any time there is a
wound whose base does not fill in at the rate necessary for the skin on the
perimter to be able to cover over it. In other words, the periwound skin
wants to advance over unhealed, healthy tissue. If, when those new skin
cells on the border of the wound are ready to walk across the wound, but
there is to much depth present, the new skin cells can walk down the wall of
the wound. Once skin has grown vertically, rather than hoizontally, there is
no chance for the skin cells to reunite from one side of the wound to the
others. A surgeon may simply debride, with a scalpel, the rolled edge of the
wound, down to healthy, bleeding tissue, and have you do some sort of gentle
packing of the wound depth (must always be filled in, never to get dried
out), and there are a variety of products for this, depending on the
characteristics of the wound. It may be a simple piece of gauze ribbon, or
some hydrogel (water based gel). In any event, the void of the sinus must
not be allowed to be a void; we don't want the tissues to dry, nor the
temperature of the tissues in the sinus to lower, due to the open space.
I hope this LONG answer helps! See the surgeon:)
James A. Patrizi, PT, CWS, FCCWS
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Monica,
Sinus tracks are extremely difficult to treat. This is because you can't
fill the void with any supplies. A surgeon is the only way to close the
wound with the help of antibiotics. Scaring can be cleared with a wonderful
product from Smith/Nephew called Cica-Care. Applied to the area for a few
weeks and its gone and it self sticks. Similar products can be purchases at
drug stores.
de RN BSN
---
When a sinus track remains open but the
surface closes it creates a cavity trapping wound drainage and bacteria. It
becomes an abscess and needs to reopen to drain its contents. It will never
be gone until in fills in from the base up and then closes over. The opening
needs to be kept open and the fluid wicked from the sinus track until the
track is gone. There are several products designed to reduce scar formation
after the wound is closed. Look into silicone sheets. Be aware, it takes 2
years for the scar to fully mature.
Michelle, PT |
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I am looking for more input we had a
disagreement at the hospital I work at the order for cleansing a wound with
sal clens was obtained one of the RN's insisted that saf clens has soap in
it and needs to be rinsed off I stated that it is a wound cleanser does not
need to be rinsed and that it was close to NS but that it has preservatives
in it so that it can be used over again instead of a new bottle every 24
hours like the plan NS can any one help with this disagreement? Mavis |
I
would contact Convatec for the particulars about saf clens, I personally
like using it, but if you work in the hospital environment, they recommend
that you leave each bottle in the patient room and not use it on another
patient. I personally like it because it is not cytotoxic and can be kept
longer than normal saline and with the pump, also debrides debris better
from the wound bed
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
---Mavis..........you are correct.
"Disregard" her opinion, if you can.
Frances J. Jessup, RN, BSN
---
Safclens is a no-rinse product! It contains
no soap.
deRn BSN
---
You are correct. Saline may be used for wound
irrigation, but once the container is opened, it should be discarded within
24 hours. Commercially available wound cleansers are safe and effective for
cleansing wounds, and do not need to be irrigated out of the wound site. You
can refer to either the WOCN website for additional information, or the
Clinical Practice Guidelines published by the (now disbanded) Agency for
Health Care Policy and Research, Publication #95-0652, Dec. 1994. Of greater
concern is the practice of using cytotoxic agents for standard wound
cleansing, such as Dakins soluntion, Betadine, Acetic acid, Hydrogen
peroxide, etc. These chemicals have very specific uses, and rationale must
be clear as to why a wound may briefly need such a strong agent, and
justification for repeated use of them must be well documented.
James A. Patrizi, PT, CWS, FCCWS |
I am torn between the advice of the physicians
that I have spoken with...
I had Mohs micrographic surgery on 8/10 for basal cell carcinoma. I am left
with a t-closure of 12-14 sutures on the upper forehead. My after-care
instructions say to cleanse with H202, apply a generous amount of Polysporin
and a dressing daily. Conversely, I've been told by another physician that
ointments significantly reduce healing time. He suggests generous cleansing
with H202 and leaving the wound open to air whenever possible for a better
cosmetic result. What to do ????
Mike |
I hate
to say this, but the latter doctor is wrong and should go to wound care
school. Wounds need a moist healing environment to heal properly and
the old 'let it dry out' is old old school thinking.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS---
Mike:
Most wound care nurses would emphatically disagree with using hydrogen
peroxide on any wound. Cleanse with normal saline, pat dry with gauze. Apply
a THIN layer of antibiotic ointment.......neosporin, bacitracin
(preferably), polysporin. Cover with gauze dressing...skin prep intact skin,
and tape in place.
These are my suggestions for your wound care.
Frances J. Jessup, RN, BSN
---
The Neosporin was recommended to prevent
infection, if the doctor who recommended it insists on something
preventative ask him for an antibiotic cream like Bactroban. unsigned
---
H2O2 is toxic to wounds and should never be
used full strength. If you must use it half strength is adequate. Normal
Saline has been proven 100% safe and the infection rate is no greater then
ones treated with H2O2. H2O2 will actually delay healing time. A better
choice then Polysporin would be Bactroban because it works against MRSA.
Ointments do not prolong healing.
de RN BSN
---
Research has heavily shown that a healthy
wound is a moist wound. The correct balance of moisture will promote the
bodies ability to fight infection and close the open area. Hydrogen provide
is cytotoxic, destroying the good cells as well as the bad ones. It over
drys the tissues decreasing the ability of the cells to fight surface
contaminants and prohibits the perimeter of the wound from contracting.
Topical antibiotic/antimicrobial ointments are good to use sparingly and
keep the wound clean and covered. Michelle, PT |
hi
i am a therapist and i'm working on the therapautic effect of urine on wound
healing.i am working with albino whister rats.i would be grateful if i could
be sent suggestions,materials,journals etc to assist this project.
thank you |
sorry,
no replies |
I have a patient with a stage 4 pressure wound
with low albumin (2.7). We are meeting her extimated protein needs
(generously) and are wondering why the albumin remains low. Her weight and
other lab results are wnl. Any thoughts would be appreciated. The wound is
not draining excessively. Thank you.
Jennifer |
Protein is frequently "leaked out" in the drainage from the wound, if the
wound has gross amount of drainage that could be the problem. I would look
into culturing the wound to make sure you aren't dealing with an infection
that will contribute to the amount of drainage.
unsigned
---
Has a culture been done? Not only for
infection, but underlying conditions such as cancer? Are there underlying
co-morbidities that could affect absorption? How old is this patient? Are
you testing pre-albumin rather than albumin?
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS |
Is anyone seeing wounds infected with multi-drug
resistant acintobacter baumanii? Are you using any additional infection
control procedures other than normal wound care procedures? We are
especially concerned about the risks with pulsed lavage. (should the patient
be masked?)
Carol DiPrima, PT |
sorry,
no replies |
Hello,
I am a graduate student at U of M-Flint, MI. I am in
search of currnet information on skilled nursing homes cost for treatmeant
of preasure ulcers. Any
information you can link me to would be gratly
appreciated
E.R. Nelson III |
sorry,
no replies |
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